Violence has flared again in Northern Kosovo after NATO troops brutally dispersed a crowd of Serbian protesters at a makeshift roadblock, firing live ammunition at peaceful demonstrators, and have now established an armed presence in the area.
Over 100 KFOR troops arrived at the scene on Friday and forced the Serbs to leave the then-intact barricade, threatening the use of lethal force. KFOR said they would shoot anyone who failed to comply. They also ordered journalists to leave the immediate area. NATO's force in Kosovo has said it will shoot to kill anyone who crosses a barricaded area near the disputed checkpoint on Serbia's border with Kosovo, reports RT's Aleksey Yaroshevsky.
Allied pro-Kosovo forces then brought in bulldozers and demolished the barricade built by ethnic Serbs on the Kosovo side of the border with Serbia.
But Serbs at the remaining barricades say they will not leave their positions.
"We have lost a battle, but not the whole war," they told RT.
The Kosovar Serbs added that their move to erect barricades in Kosovo is driven by fear that Belgrade might abandon them in pursuit of EU membership.
Ethnic Serbs are more determined than ever to show that they do not wish to be part of the Kosovo republic.
"They are telling us to leave but we have nowhere to go," explained Petra, a local resident. "This is because Kosovo is our land, our home and our life. It seems that we are on our own now and we will stand our ground."
After peacefully retreating from the barricades, the Serbs established another makeshift checkpoint by putting two large trucks on a bridge, thus blocking access to northern Kosovo for the KFOR troops.
The situation remains tense but not violent with Serbs pulling back and grouping at a nearby bridge block post. The barricade secured by NATO troops is just one of about half a dozen constructed by Serbs, so the stand-off is continuing and an escalation of tension remains a possibility. RT's correspondent reports that he saw a group of Serbs tearing down a road sign posted by KFOR, indicating that their fighting spirit is far from lost.
Still, more than 10 wounded people remain in hospital in the town of Mitrovice after Tuesday's clashes with KFOR forces. Some of them have bullet wounds. RT spoke to them to get first-hand information about the clashes.
"We were standing by the barricade when the soldiers started shouting and shooting at us," recalls injured Aleksander Radunovic. "I did not know what they were shooting with so I got scared and started running away. Then I thought I had been hit on the shoulder, but it turned out I had received a perforating wound of my lung."
Significantly, KFOR and NATO are trying to convince the public that they only used rubber bullets and tear gas grenades against the Serbs to pacify them. But doctors in the local hospital told RT that the patients have unmistakable gunshot wounds.
"We received seven men in a serious condition: gunshot wounds, fractures and bruises -- they were not rubber bullets, not a single one of them had rubber bullet wounds," revealed the head surgeon of Mitrovica hospital, Radomir Ivankovic. "All those wounds were caused by regular bullets which we extracted from the bodies [of injured]."
The conflict zone in Kosovska Mitrovica is split between the Albanians and the Serbs, and as RT's crew witnessed last night, the latter are currently reinforcing their barricades with fresh piles of sandbags being placed across roads to block access to KFOR forces and the Kosovo police.
NATO helicopters are bringing additional troops to the conflict zone, and are reported to be flying over the border crossings approximately every 30 minutes.
There has been a strong international response on this week’s developments in Kosovo.
The US has accused Serbs of provoking violence, while the Russian Foreign ministry has expressed deep concern over the situation in Kosovo, saying that this conflict, largely perceived as a border incident, could destabilize the situation in the whole region.
Russia’s envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, has criticized NATO for a crude breach of the UN resolution on Kosovo, saying the alliance has failed to remain neutral.
“In this situation, NATO has definitely taken Pristina’s side,” Rogozin told Russia’s TV channel Rossiya 24.
Russia’s Foreign Ministry has also expressed deep concern over news suggesting an emergency carriage taking the injured to hospital was fired on by Kosovo forces during Tuesday clashes at the disputed checkpoint.
On Wednesday, members of the United Nations Security Council gathered for emergency consultations in New York to discuss the situation in southern Serbia, but failed to reach a common stance on the conflict in the turbulent region.
On Thursday, Kosovo's Interior Minister Bajram Rexhepi said that roadblocks put up by local Serbs will be removed, pledging, though, that ethnic Albanian-dominated authorities will make no unilateral moves, AP reports. The removal of barriers is “inevitable” as they prevent “freedom of movement for people and goods,'' the minister said, adding that any action would be coordinated with the NATO-led KFOR forces and the European Union mission.
we should organize anti Nato and "Friends of Serbia" meetings around the world!! Countries should and are by law allowed to protect their sovereignity and to crush separatist s movements! It´s in almost constitution ! Hope we won´t have our amazon region invaded by nato ...they seem very interested in creating a local latin american kosovo here! Greetings from Brazil! God bless Serbia!!
What a one sided story, once a civilians grabs a weapon he is no longer a civilian under international law. NATO had a right to kill that Serb. NATO soldiers don't want to be shot and killed like the Albanian police officer. So it's shoot-to-kill because that's all these terrorists know.
My son is leaving in the morning for Kosovo. He is in the Army. I just wish the world would be at peace and stop fighting over a border. Please pray that he and all our troops are safe as they try to keep peace.
Why the doctor in Northern part of Kosovo did not approve showing any pics on what he says,that demonstrators where wounded by live ammo and not rubber bullets???
@ VALON
You are absolutely right about the one sided story, I'm surprised you got that far?...Now let's look at this from a RETARDED persons way of thinking, like yourself who has a brain of a two year old and has to be spoon feed by your brainwashed parents who probably have no or limited education and think that America is the center of the world. If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is ... NO
person should have the right to defend their HOME and if they do they are Terrorists ...Please! tell your parents to stop letting you watch too many Hollywood produced and edited CNN movies and start teaching you about love and respect of other people and put you back in school, so you may learn a little about history and some geography!
I truly feel sorry for grown man like you Valon who has been dumb down at a early stag in your life just like the Mother who left a comment after you ...
@ PATTI
I suggest your son should start THINKING for himself and stop working for these organized criminals (NATO) who profit from wars around the world and peoples misery, using and brainwashing little boys just like your son to do their dirty work at the same time working on their sick plan (killing and depopulating the planet).
Just wishing the world be at peace is not enough to help your son and other people around the world. The best thing to do is educate and inform yourself about whats really happening around the world.
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"A debate is made stronger through truth". I agree 100%. And that's what Peacefulwarrior says, truth and just truth. But, usually truth is very difficult to come to people's brain and soul. How many years we have to wait for that truth, but real truth, one and only?
It is obvious that most of you does not have an idea of what is happening on Kosovo. Kosovo is officially part of Serbia, and by UN resolution 1244 UN/NATO forces are there to keep peace and run administrative tasks, while Serbians should have 1000 soldiers and 1000 policemen helping them. Again, believe it or not, officially and by any law - Kosovo is Serbia! NATO is deliberately forcing Serbians out of their land, and violating mandate they got from UN. What NATO is doing is a CRIME. They just decided to give Serbian land to KLA - which was officially terrorist organisation until NATO decided they can be used as a lever to achieve their interests. You do not have to be genius here, you just need to spend some time and read "Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) on the situation relating Kosovo" which is still valid. Those who believe in mainstream media and their labels of various countries and people are probably visiting globalresearch.ca by mistake.
Additional resource I would recommend for all of you interested in real truth about Serbia, Kosovo and ex Yugoslavia are movies "The Weight of Chains" and "It started with a Lie", bot available on youtube for free.
Kosovo will never be a part of.Serbia.serbia occupied Kosovo 1912. and 1945.Serbia and milosevic moved out from kosovo one milion people and killd more than 12000 people women and children.thats a reason why nato bombing serbs forces.And now kosovo is indepedent country.
@xhavid
Yes, and we can all live in comfortable illusions...
It is really easy to read, it just takes time... but you choose to watch TV and listen to propaganda.
Hitler and Nazis figured out that most people are lazy just like you, need to hear something many times and just believe in it (since it is simple), so we had WWII. If you do a little research you will find that you live in a lie.
Just a few facts:
1.) UN had over 2000 independent observers on Kosovo at the time of "Milosevic's terror", just before NATO aggression - they reported less than 40 causalities, ALL armed, in uniforms and paramilitary/terrorist groups. Remember - these observers are experts, doctors and investigators, not some dummy journalists
2.) Knowing that (1) UN charter refused to give mandat to NATO to attack Serbia, but NATO still did it, committing the "crime against peace"
3.) The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was de-listed for "classified reasons". Fact that is very well known and you can find it even on wikipedia. KLA is closely connected to al Qaeda. KLA leaders are now government officials in self-proclaimed Kosovo
4.) There are HUNDREDS of Serbian Orthodox monasteries and temples all over Kosov, some dating 13th century A.D. and protected by UNESCO, so having Serbians there starting 1912 would mean that Serbians used time-travel to make these churches (probably helped by Nikola Tesla!)
Only these facts, easy to verify, should be enough for every living person capable of thinking to see that something is very "fishy" and just doesn't feel "right" with official mass-media version and image of Serbia and Kosovo. Of course, you can always shout "BLASPHEMY!!!", it works very well for most of the people, at least it does not require any effort, it's quick an easy...
@ MIKE
Thank You Mike !!!
Civilization at last ...
@Petty,
We all hope you son does not come back alive....
He and other like him have no business in Kosovo!
Kareem posted : "Why the doctor in Northern part of Kosovo did not approve showing any pics on what he says,that demonstrators where wounded by live ammo and not rubber bullets???"
Why is it the sole responsibility of the MDs? Why wouldn't journalists demand such evidence? MDs work to provide medical care, not journalism, but journalists are supposed to work to provide investigatively fact-based reports and it doesn't happen anywhere near often enough.
peacefulwarrior wrote in reply to the comment by VALON : "... Please! tell your parents to stop letting you watch too many Hollywood produced and edited CNN movies and start teaching you about love and respect of other people and put you back in school, so you may learn a little about history and some geography!"
Good luck! School is not the best place to learn about true history ; geography, perhaps, but getting history pretty screwed up. GlobalResearch[dot]ca is a better bet. But I otherwise agree with peacefulwarrior.
Even for geography, we probably would not get all of the education that's merited. There's surely some bs mixed in. We can't do that with maths, f.e., for maths are quite pure, 1+1=2, 2-1=1, 1-1=0, and so on ; only needing to know how the calculations are to be done. When it comes to geography, and I only had one course in social geo., and another course in natural, topo, ... geo., I'm not sure; mainly guessing that social geo. can be screwed up as much as history can. Maybe not, but I don't see why social geo. would be less corruptible than history, that is, academic history, the teaching of history, has been.
grtv posted : "Reminder: Please keep the discussion respectful. A debate is made stronger through truth, not insults."
Definitely! There's no point in communicating in offencive manners.
mike wrote : "... Again, believe it or not, officially and by any law - Kosovo is Serbia! ..."
I don't think that that's quite accurate. Kosovo, as far as I understood, was a part of Serbia, not Serbia itself.
mike also wrote, "Those who believe in mainstream media and their labels of various countries and people are probably visiting globalresearch.ca by mistake".
I think to probably be misunderstanding you, but assuming the contrary, why is visiting and reading at GR a mistake? For copies of pieces that GR posts, but which aren't from GR, there is a disclaimer following every article. I've read some more than questionable articles at GR that were cross-posted, not being from GR, but these were always News, rather than Feature articles. Not all Feature articles are by GR personnel, but some are and the rest ; well, I read a lot of good articles there by different feature writers and these were very good. Of all of the Feature pieces that I read over several years, there was no problem. Sure, further investigation is sometimes warranted, but we're human and ... limited.
mike added, "Additional resource I would recommend for all of you interested in real truth about Serbia, Kosovo and ex Yugoslavia are movies "The Weight of Chains" and "It started with a Lie", bot available on youtube for free".
There's extremely little to be found at Youtube for significant length for "The Weight of Chains", but use the Google video search and choose the option to do the search for videos of 20 minutes and more. Then, people will get what seems to likely be of full length. The first hit returned with my search is a link to a video clip at vimeo and it's 124 minutes, f.e. There's nothing like that at Youtube for this documentary film.
And if "It started with a Lie" is about the Germany ... story, then don't bother with Youtube. Use the Google videos search engine and seek video clips of 20+ minutes.
mike later or earlier wrote (time stamps not being specified for posts) :"3.) The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was de-listed for "classified reasons". Fact that is very well known and you can find it even on wikipedia. KLA is closely connected to al Qaeda. KLA leaders are now government officials in self-proclaimed Kosovo"
Sounds like the situation in Afghanistan. Washington and NATO put the Northern Alliance drug and war lords, so-called lords anyway, in power, knowingly doing this. It wasn't out of pure ignorance. Washington knew and knows who these people are and were.
The extremely criminal KLA didn't end up in power based on pure ignorance of the western powers. The latter knew what the KLA was, and the western "leaders" are too rich to bother with morality or ethics. They have an ethic, racketeering madness.
These elites aren't ignorant in ways that don't support their strategically and selfishly bogus notions of how this world should work. They make sure to have all of the backing they need. And they have it ; presently, anyway.
David wrote : "@Petty,
We all hope you son does not come back alive....
He and other like him have no business in Kosovo!"
True, they have no business in Kosovo, but damn, the rest of what you said is crap. It's NO way to respond to what Petty said!
My heart goes out to her. May her sons and other Americans, UK'ns, Cdns, et cetera, serving in all of this hellbent criminality, unwittingly, return safe. I wish them NO harm ; only wishing an end to all of the extreme criminality of govts, Wall Street, et cetera.
Petty, I hope for you that your son, a person you bore in your womb for 9 months, besides the many years of relationship thereafter, so you had an opportunity to become very close or attached to him ; well, I hope that they all return safely home, no ptsd, et cetera. They're duped and we should not treat them with disrespect for this reason. If they knew that what they're doing is criminal and they have the ability to refuse such orders, not being PTSD'd beyond reach, say, but refused to reject the orders, then I'ld have some extra words to say. But many of the troops lack "street smarts". Many enter naively and then find themselves wound up in a major mess of criminality our so-called political representatives are responsible for.
I enlisted in the USN in 1976 and was fortunate. It wasn't long before I was out of there and with good conduct discharge, the best possible, since getting honorable rrequired serving at least 2 of the 3 years of the so-called contract with the US govt or military. Completed bootcamp quite successfully, but had to have a brief encounter at the end of bootcamp with several senior officers in some "special" hearing ; because, oh-boy or -gal, big problem, I admitted, on the medical history form, to having consumed marijuana, taken a few "hits" of LSD or so-called LSD, acid, whatever, and such minor things. They ordered that I either leave the military, and they'ld additionally pay for my flight home, too, or it was 14 days in their stupid rehab center. Knowing that I was fine, and not willing to kiss ass cheekies of any monsieur petty senior officers, regardless of their ranks, I took the exit ticket option. There was no way that I was going to serve under the orders of jerks like were those so-called men, and officers ; absolutely not! Hell, no! The situation was misaligned. They needed to be under my command.
They laughed when I replied to them that they knew damn well that many people in the US military took and take drugs. And they [all] laughed for good reason, because what I said is definitely true and they knew that it was and this fact hasn't changed over the past several decades. But they then expected my final reply after I had sort of diplomatically tried to get them to accept that I definitely wasn't in any need of their stupid rehab center crap or treatment, however you wish to consider it. It's crap, imo. It's bs. Officers, many, take drugs! And plenty like to "play" with little girls and boys ; in the Balkans, Afghanistan, and so on!! They want to allege that I'm guilty of having consumed marijuana, taken a few "hits" of so-called acid, all while having wit, and would never harm a child in my lifetime ; yet, they do all of that and much worse! They want to preach and they better look elsewhere for a choir.
I didn't enlist out of any desire to go to war whatsoever. We were, as far as I and most Americans knew at the time, during peace-time. And I needed GED and skills training, but was poor, poor, so enlisted to have a chance to try to gain some ground ; but, while I didn't enlist with any desire to fight in war, I knew going in that if the country was truly attacked, then I'ld accept to serve in defence. There's a little problem with that perspective though. The US has never been truly attacked and never fights for defending anything other than the interests of Corporate America, Wall Street, et cetera.
The real war needs to be back home, because the govt of the USA has been criminally hijacked, remains hijacked, and this world is not going to see a good day until this situation is remedied. The USA won't see a better day, and neither will the rest of this world or planet ; until Washington's straigtened out, say.
If we did that, then maybe we'ld finally have peace, socio-economic justice, and so on, in this world. I'm not going to bend down to them ; to neither military officers, regardless of their ranks, nor politicians. I studied in a seminary, 1984-85, and there were 9 of us. We were all required to be evaluated by a secular order psychologist. What did he have to say about me? Well, my so-called IQ, based on stupid tests that we're asked to do, fill out, whatever, tests of really little value, except to determine academic education, as opposed to actual intelligence ; well, well. Yeah, big deal. That score wasn't high, but anyone who knew of my life in any reasonable detail would've known to not pay attention to that IQ score, for it's an extremely superficial test. But the psychologist had positive words. One, I'm a person of common sense and have good manual dexterity. Second, though not necessarily in terms of my priorities, I'm anti-authoritarian.
Bosses need to be nice with me, for I've walked off of jobs right in the middle of jobs that employers were very satisfied with my work for. I don't take "lip" from even so-called superiors and never did.
Unfortunately, most youth don't grow up with such individuality and/or intuition. Yes, some men also have intuition and put it to good use. And my individuality wasn't something from parental training. My parents had extremely little time to offer ; definitely insufficient for seriously educating a child. They both worked f-t and then worked at the home doing various things. Over time, I found that the individuality is a trait many relatives have. None of them ever enlisted in the military, none were interested in joining the military. They just wanted to be "normal" human beings, to have and raise their families, and so on. It's more of a common sense, grassroots, poverty-originating family, all workers, in manufacturing, farming, carpentry, et cetera.
My father served in the Cdn Army for some years, but apparently was lucky, for he didn't serve during years in which Ca had soldiers serving in wars ; not that the public knew of anyway. My father never had to leave Ca and got to do some old-fashioned cross-country skiing, if it can be called that, what they did for skiing. The Army had his unit training I don't know where, but according to the photo I saw, I'ld say further or far north and definitely in a mountainous area like we don't have in the Eastern Townships of Quebec, anyway. Maybe it was in the Rockies, western Ca, but my father never served in war and never would've wanted to do that. And he was lucky, for he didn't have to make any choice about this. His service years were here, not abroad, and much less in war zones.
During WWII, he worked in the manufacturing of explosives, like tnt, f.e., at a factory in a town near Mtl, i.e., in Valleyfield. So he didn't completely escape relationship with war, for he eventually worked in the making of explosives for war ; not that he would've had serious understanding of what he was doing, for he surely didn't, as most people didn't.
You had the honesty to say what you said and there is nothing in what you said that merits disregard or disrespect ; nothing that I can presently see, anyway. I hope and pray that you get your son back in ONE piece, physically, mentally, wholly.
Let no one else be critical of what Petty posted. She hopes that her son returns in one piece, and if she wrote at GR, then I imagine that she also reads at GR. And that's good. Both are good.
Do you want parents who don't give a damn about you when you're sent off to serve in wars of the criminal elites' makings and you naively accept to perform this "service"? I hope not. Give me caring parents, family, friends, and fellow citizens, instead.
Fin aux guerres et injustices. Maintenant, il faut avoir la VIE, et ça prend le respect des droits humains de tous, sans exceptions. Les criminels contre l'humanité méritent Nuremberg II et nous ne parviendrons pas à ce stage, mais ça demeure ce qu'est mérité. C'est là qu'il faut placer notre focus.
Nuremberg II !
@ Mike Corbeil
From one soldier to another, your points here are well taken and they work very well on paper...
But If I remember correctly Slobodan Milosevic took this kind of true civilized approach and beyond any other leader in Serbia past and present and look where it got him ...Poisoned in the Hague plus never getting a chance to clear his name as a Balkan butcher given to him by the producers and directors of this war.
Milosevic was speaking the truth !!! At that time, in the name of all the republics in the former Yugoslavia that war will only bring lose of life on all sides and poverty by enslavement...yours truly Divide and Conquer (USA style)
My first point is very simple ...you never served on the front line
2 ~ You never lost a mother, brother or sister right in front of your very eyes
3 ~ You were never bombed by so many low life barbaric countries, day and night for over three months and you have no place to go
The list can go on ...
Now, back to mother Patti, You say let's not be critical of what Patti posted "Please pray that he and all our troops are safe as they try to keep the peace"
I understand,as long as her son and the troops that are occupying Kosovo along side the Albanian Terrorists are safe and OK! ... everthing is fine and dandy and
there's nothing to worry about ... Those Serbs who landed in Kosovo from another galaxy ( planet X ) are nothing more then chopped liver...and can go back where they came from
What peace ?and what country are we talking about here?
I must have missed 60 min ?
Lets get REAL ! and walk in a pair of Serbian shoes...
Respect yourself and the others at the same time !
peacefulwarrior according to your statements Croatia and Bosnia are also Serbia...same as Kosovo. It`s really funny reading your comments about something You are 20000 miles away and know nothing about history in Balcan area. What Serbs are trying to do in Kosovo is same thing they have tried in Croatia in 1991 and Bosnia 1992 and have failed. Miloshevic WAS Balcan butcher who tried to build "Great Serbia", ethnically clean, same way Hitler tried to do in Germany 60 years ago...there is no other word that would be appropriate on this site for Miloshevic. Serbs started riots, roadblocks and killing people in Croatia 20 years ago in the same way as they are trying to do nowdays in Kosovo, but in that time Western countries did not have interests in stopping the war in the way they are trying now. You should search a bit on internet or read some articles and books about Balcan story before writing comments like you did cause someone could call you a liar...and I hope that the only thing is that You don`t really know the truth.
peacefulwarrior said: "You were never bombed by so many low life barbaric countries, day and night for over three months and you have no place to go"...sounds like You were bombed...well if You were in Croatia or Bosnia in `90s then; if You were in Vukovar, Dubrovnik, Karlovac, Osijek, Vinkovci, Zadar, Šibenik, Tenja, Sisak, Sarajevo, Srebrenica...and many other cities in Croatia and Bosnia maybe You would know something about defending Your home and trying to survive Serbian army attacks on civilians, bombing their homes, butchering wife, mothers and children and trying to kill everybody who belongs to other ethnic group than Serbian...You should try to do a bit search, only on Youtube...try writing Vukovar or Srebrenica...please, or War in Croatia....ufff....now reading again what You have written in Your comment I can`t help my self not to think that You are a liar and proserbian militant trying to spread lies across the globe...the things You wrote are disrepectful for all innocent people who were victims of Miloshevic`s regime and Serbian militia and people who called them self Chetniks in Croatia and Bosnia...
Kosovo is Serbia as much as USA is Japan!!!
@ peacefulwarrior
You are totally out of presence,talking about: "Slobodan Milosevic took this kind of true civilized approach and beyond any other leader in Serbia past and present and look where it got him" . He made your country and whole region moving backwards in the 90's. He is the reason why you were attacked by NATO. His "Yugoslavian army" full of Serbian officers attacked Croatia and Bosnia. Did you see any Croatian or Bosnian soldier in Serbia? I don't think so. So be correct to people here and to yourself and try to seek and say the truth, nothing more, nothing less.
@ Mike and Dale
If you have not been introduced to this New World Order yet... and I do respect that many people like yourselves need a little more time to adjust and understand this doublespeak of living all over the world.
Gentlemen, I welcome you to the FARM ! (1984) style
Your master will be pleased to have two more servants added to the millions already conditioned waiting for a hand out (false democracy)
@ Mike wouldn't life be easier for everyone if we all learned everything through YouTube? Who needs truth, real knolwedge and education!
There's one more thing that you forgot to mention on your list, after all those produced directed and edited movie trailers they used to promote their war movie: Serbs as the bad guys( ethnic cleansers) all those rapes that the Serbs committed ... it was reported many times on TV and in the papers that the Serbs raped 20.000 women, and two days later the count went up to 40.000 thousand ... any logical person who can think for him or herself knows that that is impossible, YOU talk to me about lies and propaganda then what is this then ? Even Rambo, in your wildest fantasy movie hero can't fight on so many fronts and rape that amount of women at the same time.
FACT: women were raped on all sides but in the western (interest)evil mind, Serbian women didn't count here because your Master doesn't give a damn about human life! or any woman.
FACT: There are many Croats living in Serbia at the time of this civil war and still do to this day, that are not afraid of being slaughtered and having their homes burned down to the ground...and looked at as second class citizens.
like the way Croats (NAZI Puppets) slaughtered the Serbs, Gypsies and Jews going back as far as World War 1 to the present... there are many more facts to be said here but too much true information at one time could cause a brain overload for you guys.
Dale and Mike, what can say too NATO supporters like yourselves.
If we all think alike like you Gentlemen, then who is really thinking ... God help us!
@Mike
You don't know truth about Milosevic neither about Hitler even you think that you know. And truth is so complicated because of propaganda so I think that you don't have chance to understand that in your lifetime. Also, truth about Serbs and Croats is turned upside down. You don't say or you don't know that Serbs started riots, roadblocks and killing people in self defence because their houses were burnt down by Croats. One thing you are right, about Western countries interests... Mike, what do you think, truth is in books or on the Internet, or people who live there as me know truth much better? We have experience with so many details to fulfil not books but libraries.
All those places and cities you named that were bombed, they were bombed because they were sacrificed by leaders of Bosnians and Croats, as it was once with Jews in the WWII. It's hard for you to believe it because it's so weird. But present times are really weird times. I am so sorry about all the victims but at least try to understand truth and only truth not propaganda. Truth and propaganda are 2 different things, really oposite. By the way, on Internet everyone can put everything as you and me now so don't believe much what you are reading. There is only one truth.
One of my friends, Serb from Bosnia, who returned to live there after several years spent in Serbia, he was tortured in camp but he decided not to talk about that even he has right to get huge finance compensation for all tortures. He prefers to live there where all his ancestors lived instead to take money but live in fear that someone can burn his new small home as someone has already burnt the old one in years that you described so unilaterally, just because Croats and Bosnians wanted to have ethnic clean countries. Just like what Croats did in Operation Storm...
Do you know how many Albanian Kosovar's were killed in recent years because they didn't accepted the KLA Albanian Terorists? Search about that on your favourite Internet.
@Dale
And, know here is the truth for you Dale. There were the minimum number of Serbian officers in Yugoslav Army. Mostly they were Croats. Second, Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia wars were lived in Croatia and Bosnia and they were one of majority population there, and Serbian soldiers were just ordinary Serbs who tried to self defence themselves. Serbs from Serbia, I have to admit, are cowards and they didn't want to go there to defend their brothers. It's public known truth. That's why many male Serbs went to Western Countries because they were all cowards. But, now they have been punished in their "wonderful" lives and continue to lie themselves and others about everything, about Milosevic, about victims, about wars, and you are buying that, just because they were and still are cowards. Finally, Serbs have never been occupiers in their history. All what I have written here is the truth, nothing more, nothing less!
I don`t even want to explain things to peacewarrir, cause he is obviously serbian militant same as Šešelj, Karadjić, Milošević, Babić, Mladić and other butchers from peacewarriors village...
Sweet God Ana....unbeliveable...like we are living in two different worlds and in different times....I lived throw that war, my father was killed in that war...he was not killed by Croats or by Western forces, he was killed by Serbs who called them self Chetniks...Do You think my father was persuaded by someone to tell me what he have seen on his own eyes??? Most of officers in Yugoslav army, specially higher rank officers were Serbs and that`s the only truth. If what You are writing is truth, why were Šešelj and Babić, serbian radical party members and how they called them self Četnik`s, talking about Great Serbia and border Karlobag-Ogulin-Karlovac-Virovitica...cities that were NEVER serbian cities - Karlovac is 50 miles from Zagreb??? Have You ever been in Vukovar? If You haven`t You should go and then try to explain to people on this forum who have done that - Serbs who bombed the city from Serbia across Dunav river. Have You ever heard anything about Beli Orlovi? Have You ever heard anything about SAO Krajina - the idea, intentions,territory??? Can You tell me why is the government of Montenegro expressing they sorry about attacks on Dubrovnik only 5 days ago, calling this attacks "disgraceful act of Yugoslav army"? Who were Serbs afraid of in Dubrovnik - old town, beautiful sea? Who killed people in Srebrenica - "just ordinary Serbs who tried to self defence themselves"???? Who have leveled Vukovar with the ground - people living in the city??? Who has been imprisoned and tortured in Sremska Mitrovica, Begejci, Manjača, Stara Gradiška, Novi Sad, Ovčara, Velepromet and other concentration camps. How come that Croats ("Nazi puppets") didn`t have concentration camps for threatened Serbs in Croatia??? How were Serbs in Croatia threatened and by whom? Serbs from Serbia were helping "their brothers" in Croatia, that`s why so many died in Croatia trying to slaughter croatian elderly, women and children. Serbs have never been occupiers in their history cause they could not be, cause they are cowards, nomad people and only a tribe of savages, but they wanted to occupy - if not than why are they talking about Great Serbia???
OK....I think I could write about the truth for another year at least, but I don`t have time and will to continue to argue with You people who don`t know anything about things that happened in Croatia...
Stay well and try to find out at least some answers to my questions so You could finally spread the truth around the globe.
Ana and Peacewarrior @
If you haven't never read the Memorandum from 1986 that you have a lack of knowledge. If you have, then you don't seek for the truth. It is a document written by Serbian Intellectual elite and it had a goals like:
- Serbia's borders are not in accordance with the ethnic composition and as such they should be cut out because, according to the memorandum, the Constitution of 1974. has caused much damage to Serbia, due to the creation of autonomous provinces of Vojvodina and Kosovo, the dilution of the federation, as well as "artificial" administrative boundaries that do not represent "real" image
- Threat to the Serbian people by other people within the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia: assimilation, exploitation, expulsion, lack of expression, marginalization in the political, economic, cultural and scientific spheres
- Strengthening the anti-Serbian forces within the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Croats, Albanians)
- The need for rapid action to prevent deterioration of Serbia and Serbian people.
so, when people like them say something like this, and people like radicals and Milishevich get "the wind in the back" for their "final solution"- Great Serbia.
Also Peacefullwarrior you said: FACT: There are many Croats living in Serbia at the time of this civil war and still do to this day, that are not afraid of being slaughtered and having their homes burned down to the ground...and looked at as second class citizens.
Of course they were living peacefully and they live in Serbia because the don't dream about "Great Croatia" and they respect the territory of the country they live in. Although, Vojvodina was not Serbia during Yugoslavia and if people want the referendum about it, let them vote.
I don't support neither historical NDH or Pavelić or Ustasha movement. This is different.I know that in the 90's ther was a war in which we have agressor(Yugoslavian-Serbian army) on the territory of THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC OF CROATIA. I repeat: independent, voted for by 94% of the voters.
@Ana
And the majority in Yugoslavian army were Serbs in high positions. That's why the y took 90% of the weapons. How logical is to you that if The Croats or Slovenians or Bosnians were the majority and they couldn't have all those weapons. Look at the statistics. 54.25% of the officer corps were Serbian. Yugoslavia had about 22 milion people. There were about 30% Serbs. Do I need to explain more about proportionalism?
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/yugomr.htm
And seek for the truth. again.
@ Mike and Dale
Gentlemen, my idea of freedom and truth conflicts with your idea of freedom and truth, then neither of us can be free until everyone agrees to be a slave
The Master wins either way... thats how he planned it
@ Mike and Dale
First of all, Seselj is known in Serbia as fool. He made bad picture about Serbs talking things what you repeated here. His most stupid move was to go to Haag.
Second, you claim that at the secession in Yugoslavia JNA was Serb-dominated.
So, let's start with Yugoslav history class. I have never thought that I'll have such opportunity in my life. In young days I attended many history competitions and got some prizes. I have always been interested in politics, it's like my hobby (which my family doesn't like), and that's why I am reading Global Research website. In recent years, I studied world politics but also have knowledge about history of UN Nations, NATO, Soviet blocks in years when some other people were still in diapers.
Fact is, at that time, the Army's chief of staff, Veljko Kadijevic, was half Croatian and half Serbian, the Air Force chief Zvonko Jurjevic was Croatian and the commander of the Navy, Stane Brovet, was Slovenian.
Tito was...well God knows what but certainly not Serb. Kardelj was Slovene. Most of the politicians in 1991 were Croats. President of Yugoslavia was Mesic-Croat, Prime Minister was Markovic-Croat, and commander of JNA was Kadijevic-half Serbs half Croat.
Let’s see JNA leadership in 1991.
1. Anton Tus - Croat
2. Zvonko Jurjevic - Croat
3. Mate Petar - Croat
4. Josip Gregoric - Croat
5. Ivan Radanovic - Croat
6. Andrija Silic - Croat
7. Tomislav Bjondic - Croat
8. Božidar Grubišic - Croat
9. Života Avramovic - Serb
10. Blagoje Adžic - Serb
11. Konrad Kolšek - Slovene
12. Stane Brovet - Slovene
13. Aleksandar Spirkovski - Macedonian, Commander of First Army, which attacked Vukovar. His deputy was a Croat.
14. Mile Ružinovski - Macedonian
15. Veljko Kadijevic - Half Serb half Croat
16. Ibrahim Alitbegovic - Muslim
In former Yugoslavia, the omnipotent federal communist masters
(The Yugoslav Communist Party Politburo chiefs)
1) Josip Broz TITO (CROAT),
2) Edvard KARDELJ (SLOVENE),
3) Vladimir BAKARIC (CROAT),
with their disciples from 1971-1980
1) Stane DOLANC (SLOVENE),
2) J. VRHOVEC (CROAT),
3) B. MIKULIC (CROAT from Bosnia and Herzegovina)
were the major decision-makers.
YUGOSLAV PRIME MINISTERS:
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V. Djuranovic (MONTENEGRIN)
Milka Planinc (CROAT)
Borisav Mikulic (CROAT FROM BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA)
Ante Markovic (CROAT) - until 1991, the year of disintegration
YUGOSLAV FOREIGN MINISTERS:
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J. Vrhovec (CROAT)
Lazar Mojsov (MACEDONIAN)
Rifat Dizdarevic (BOSNIAN MUSLIM)
Budimir Loncar (CROAT) - until 1991, the year of disintegration
PRESIDENTS OF FEDERAL PRESIDENCY:
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Lazar Kolisevski (MACEDONIAN)
S. Krajger (SLOVENE)
Petar Stambolic (SERB)
Fadil Hodza (ALBANIAN)
Stane Dolanc (SLOVENE)
V. Zarkovic (MONTENEGRIN)
Lazar Mojsov (MACEDONIAN)
Rifat Dizdarevic (BOSNIAN MUSLIM)
Stipe Suvar (CROAT)
Janez Drnovsek (SLOVENE)
Borisav Jovic (SERB)
Stipe Mesic (CROAT) - until 1991, the year of disintegration
THE YUGOSLAV PEOPLE'S ARMY'S LEADERSHIP IN JUNE 1991
(The Year of Disintegration)
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FEDERAL DEFENSE MINISTER
general V. Kadijevic (CROAT-SERB)
FEDERAL DEPUTY DEFENSE MINISTER
admiral S. Brovet (SLOVENE)
CHIEF OF THE GENERAL STAFF
general B. Adzic (SERB)
COMMANDER OF THE FIRST
MILITARY AREA (SERBIA)
general A. Spirkovski (MACEDONIAN)
COMMANDER OF THE FIFTH MILITARY
AREA (CROATIA AND SLOVENIA)
general K. Kolsek (SLOVENE)
COMMANDER OF THE THIRD MILITARY
AREA (BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA)
general A. Luketic (CROAT)
COMMANDER OF THE NAVY
admiral Z. Letica (CROAT)
COMMANDER OF THE MARITIME AREA
admiral P. Grubisic (CROAT)
COMMANDER OF THE YUGOSLAV AIR FORCE
general A. Tus (CROAT)
YUGOSLAVIA'S AMBASSADORS IN SELECTED COUNTRIES (JUNE 1991)
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UNITED NATIONS (New York):
D. Silovic (CROAT)
UNITED NATIONS (Geneva):
N. Calovski (MACEDONIAN)
UNITES STATES OF AMERICA:
Dz. Mujezinovic (BOSNIAN MUSLIM)
SOVIET UNION:
A. Runjic (CROAT)
FRANCE:
B. Gagro (CROAT)
UNITED KINGDOM:
S. Rikanovic (SERB)
PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA:
Z. Dragan (SLOVENE)
Presidents and Chairmen of the Presidency
29 December 1945 14 January 1953 Ivan Ribar Croat
14 January 1953 4 May 1980 Josip Broz Tito Croat
4 May 1980 15 May 1980 Lazar Koliševski Macedonian
15 May 1980 15 May 1981 Cvijetin Mijatović Serb
15 May 1981 15 May 1982 Sergej Kraigher Slovene
15 May 1982 15 May 1983 Petar Stambolić Serb
15 May 1983 15 May 1984 Mika Špiljak Croat
15 May 1984 15 May 1985 Veselin Đuranović Montenegrin
15 May 1985 15 May 1986 Radovan Vlajković Serb
15 May 1986 15 May 1987 Sinan Hasani Albanian
15 May 1987 15 May 1988 Lazar Mojsov Macedonian
15 May 1988 15 May 1989 Raif Dizdarević Muslim
15 May 1989 15 May 1990 Janez Drnovšek Slovene
15 May 1990 15 May 1991 Borisav Jović Serb
15 May 1991 30 June 1991 vacant
30 June 1991 3 October 1991 Stjepan Mesić Croat
Presidents of the Federal Executive Council (premiers)
14 Jan 1953 29 Jun 1963 Josip Broz Tito Croat
29 Jun 1963 16 May 1967 Petar Stambolić Serb
16 May 1967 18 May 1969 Mika Špiljak Croat
18 May 1969 30 Jul 1971 Mitja Ribičič Slovene
30 Jul 1971 18 Jan 1977 Džemal Bijedić Muslim
14 Feb 1977 16 May 1982 Veselin Đuranović Montenegrin
16 May 1982 15 May 1986 Milka Planinc Croat
15 May 1986 16 Mar 1989 Branko Mikulić Croat
16 Mar 1989 20 Dec 1991 Ante Marković Croat
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When discussing the civil war in the former Yugoslavia, what about the forced displacement of 150,000 Krajina Serbs by US-backed Croatian forces in the summer of 1995 as ethnic cleansing?
What about the Markale massacre in Sarajevo in 1995 when UN investigators noted that the mortar shell was fired from the Bosnian Muslim side to induce NATO bombing of Bosnian Serb positions?
The Yugoslav People's Army surrounded Vukovar in 1991. In Vukovar, there were the Croatian separatist military units - organized and armed from the military warehouses in Hungary. With the separation of Croatia from Yugoslavia, the Croatian Army began terrorizing the Serbs. To allow aid from abroad, the Germans recognized Croatia with her genocide program, as a sovereign state. After Germany and other European and non-European countries did the same. In mid-1991, the persecution and massacre of the Serbian people is partially completed and Croatian army mastered the Vukovar. Tens of thousands of Serbs were expelled from the famous Eastern, Western Srem and Baranja. Management of Yugoslavia announced that it will defeat the Croatian separatist forces and against them sent army in Vukovar . The battle lasted for months, a handful of Croat soldiers survived in Vukovar. The absolute supremacy of the Yugoslav army on land and in the air caused the demolition of residential buildings only, and that it did not make seriously damages to the Croatian army. Croatian soldiers were in basements, underground facilities or bunkers. The Croatian leadership exploited this battle for propaganda against Yugoslavia, the Serbian people and the Republic of Serbian Krajina. World public opinion was deluded that the Croats and the Croatian state are victims, while Serbs and Yugoslavia are aggressors and executioners. In such an atmosphere, Croatia, quiet, and surreptitiously from the world public opinion, expelled the entire Serb population from much of Western Slavonia. For this dishonourable act, Croatia was facilitated by an armed battle around Vukovar and now, with hindsight, we see that it lasted so long as it was necessary for Croatia. The Yugoslav army has done in the scale of destruction that were the God-given anti-serb propaganda convincing.
Obviously, Serbian politicians have fallen into the trap prepared around Vukovar, and assured that they take wise part in historical events, defending the nation and state. And everything was the opposite. Serbian politicians put red carpet to Serbian enemies as winners, over which they, those enemies, walk, make-believe, as the righteous.
Government of Republic Krajina had knowledge around Vukovar.
When, finally at the end of 1991, the Yugoslav People's Army liberated Vukovar, with majority Serbian population, Croatia has started the infernal propaganda against Yugoslavia, the Serbian people and the Republic of Serbian Krajina. In this propaganda, it was not possible to discern that the Serbs from the municipalities Slavonska Pozega, Virovitica, Daruvar and other expelled without exception - in the media is only persisted, the Serbs, the destruction of Vukovar and there formed "uncivilized" Republic of Serbian Krajina. The government of Republika Srpska Krajina tried to resist this propaganda and demonizing Serbs. It turned to the command of the Yugoslav People's Army to be provided with the ethnic composition of the JNA in Vukovar, which was also the Slovenes and Croats, and Macedonians, Albanians and Muslims - to see that Vukovar was not only freed Serbian soldiers, as propaganda represented. However, the Ministry of Defence of Yugoslavia did not want to send this information to Knin. The leadership of Serbia and Yugoslavia, also, had no hearing for such claims from the Republic of Serbian Krajina. Attempt was made, but it was unsuccessful. Thus, the media war being lost more easily than it was unrealistic, because the governments in Belgrade and Podgorica were unable to take advantage, in the right moments, and provide the available data. These omissions (if was not the intention), the Government in Knin was trying to confront and correct the carefully leaded anti-serb Croatian propaganda. Of course, it was not successfully and because of this refusal of cooperation in Belgrade and Podgorica, as the voice of Knin less penetrating in the public and international organizations, but it would have been the case with the vote in Belgrade. Thus, from the alone Knin, in the purpose of the media war, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Serbian Krajina sent a note to all embassies in Belgrade, where he pointed to behind scene game and misconceptions related to the Battle of Vukovar. Note was following the inclusion of anti-Serbian propaganda, fabricated on the same events around Vukovar, the U.S. ambassador to Croatia.
Note of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the RSK sent on September the 6th 1993, under number: 1882-93, and ran as follows:
"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Serbian Krajina has the honor to welcome the diplomatic and consular missions in Belgrade and inform them that the Mission of the Republic of Croatia to the European Community in Brussels provided announcement to U.S. ambassador in Zagreb, His Excellency Peter Galbraith on the Serbian-Croatian relations and armed conflict in the eastern part of the Republic of Serbian Krajina. Announcement was formulated so that it taking out that the destruction of Vukovar and ethnic cleansing in the former Serbian army carried by the Serbian people.
His Excellency Peter V. Galbraith was not properly informed and the authorities are thus used, and may harm the prestige of American diplomacy.
The destruction of Vukovar followed a long battle between the Croatian Army and the Yugoslav People's Army. The fighting was around Vukovar and the in Vukovar, the Yugoslav People's Army was able in a few days without destruction, to liberate it. At that time, between Zagreb and Vukovar, there was not Croatian Army that could oppose the Yugoslav People's Army more than a few hours. Why Yugoslav People's Army has remained around Vukovar, and why it was destroying building by building and has not performed complete encirclement?
It was so because General Franjo Tudjman wanted so. At that time, the Croatian police was ethnically cleansed Western Slavonia of Serbs, where Serbs were 65% of population, in 193 settlements. Commencing with that in that area lived a lot of Hungarians, Slovaks and other nationalities, the number of Croats in this area was less than 30%. If Yugoslav People's Army passed Vukovar, it could prevent ethnic cleansing in Western Slavonia and return to home already displaced Serbs. In that case, government in Croatia could not organize a government in this area, close to Zagreb, and it would be impossible to establish ethnically pure Croatian state.
Therefore, the General Tudjman sought to keep the Yugoslav National Army near the town of Vukovar, until it is cleansed of Western Slavonia Serbs. Such a requirement could Tudjman easy to achieve, as in 1991 in the Yugoslav leadership were mostly Croats:
1) The President of the Presidency of Yugoslavia Stipe Mesic (president of the Croatian Parliament),
2) The Prime Minister - Ante Markovic,
3) Foreign Minister - Budimir Loncar,
4) The Security Service chief - Zdravko Mustac (now a high official in Croatia).
The Yugoslav People's Army commanders were the highest non-Serb people:
1) Veljko Kadijevic, Croatian Defense Minister,
2) Fit Brovet, Slovenia, Deputy Minister of Defence,
3) Zvonko Jurjevic, Croat war aviation commander,
4) Alexander Spirovski, Macedonian, commander of the First Army, which attacked Vukovar. His deputy was a Croat.
There were less than 50% of Serbs in the Yugoslav People's Army.
His Excellency P. V. Galbraith spoke about the expulsion of Croats in Vukovar and the fact that none of them returned to their homes. First of all, Vukovar is situated in Srem, Baranja and Eastern Slavonia, where Serbs were, always, the majority of population. In WWII the Croats killed many Serbs there and settled many Croats from Dalmatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Although, Serbian majority was still there in 1991 year.
The U.S. ambassador said nothing about the Serbs expelled from Croatia in 1991 and 1992 year by the Croatian authorities. Also, he said nothing about the exiled Serbs from Western Slavonia, where in 1992 Croatia started to dispose radioactive waste. Thus, His Excellency P. V. Galbraith missed an opportunity to inform that the disposal of radioactive waste resulted in dangerous to his health and that the United Nations soldiers on a daily service in that area.
The UN Secretary General B. B. Gali was confirmed on May 15th 1993 before the Security Council that Croatia expelled, just to Krajina and Serbia, 251,000 Serbs. The Secretary-General, on this occasion, said that this figure is several times larger than the number of displaced Croats in 1991 year who lived in the Republic of Serbian Krajina (obviously, no one cares about the expelled Serbs from Croatia)."
Mike and Dale, if you want more history and politics classes, I am eager to teach you even more.
@Mike
I am sorry for your father but he was just in delusion and victim of Croatian and Western Countries bussiness as many other Croats, Serbs, Muslims. There are so many Muslims from Bosnia as immigrants in USA who realized that after many years. We all were just victims of global politics.